John Spangenberger Appears on the Trail Map Podcast: “Creative Writing, Engineering, and the Patent Law Career He Didn’t Know Existed”

Partner John Spangenberger was invited to appear on an episode of the Trail Map Podcast, an interview-style show hosted by Matt Gregory and Patrick Dyer Wolf that explores the lives of people carving their own unconventional paths.

In this engaging and candid conversation, John talks about how his background in electrical engineering, and a seemingly unrelated set of interests paved the way for a career in patent law. As an IP attorney, John sits at the intersection of science and storytelling, translating complex technologies into legal protections while helping innovators navigate the high-stakes world of intellectual property. He pulls back the curtain on what patent work really involves—far beyond simple filings—and reflects on the broader purpose of patents as both a driver of innovation and a system with inherent tradeoffs.

Throughout the conversation, John emphasizes the importance of curiosity, communication, intentionality, and adaptability, whether he’s negotiating with a patent examiner, advising clients on business strategy, or teaching students how invisible systems like law and physics shape our lives.

Listen to the entire episode with John on Spotify or watch the YouTube version below.

[The conversation with John starts at 7:24.]

About the Trail Map Podcast

Trail Map is a podcast about people charting bold, unconventional paths through life. Hosted by Matt Gregory and Patrick Dyer Wolf, each episode features a conversation with someone who’s forging their own way — from musicians and athletes to entrepreneurs, scientists, and chefs. Together, they explore the decisions, detours, and defining moments that shape meaningful work and personal growth. Inspiring, unpolished, and full of surprises, Trail Map is a guide for anyone navigating their own unmarked trail.